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Malcolm

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Hi Its a shame the latest Beta doesnt do components, whereas the one expired on 31/Aug did. See attched

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I'm not sure exactly what this shows, but V2 does work with components. The only problems we tend to have are rotated or distorted textures in components.
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Hi there,
The images were of a rendering using the previous beta 2 prior to the new Beta 2, the one showing windows/doors(components) was renderered prior to Aug 31, the second showing the windows(compoments) not appearing in render was done with the later Beta uploaded on the 2nd Sept, the windows(doors) dissapear. I have had similar issues with the free version with lots of the model dissapearing and read in the forums that this was an issue. How do i work around the components not rendering? is this to do with the rotated textures as some of the compoments were copied and mirrored, but why were they fine with the previous Beta.
I am a beginner with Podium and just starting to learn the ins and out I also have used IDX renditioner and the components(and or textures within the component) were fine.
Thanks for any feedback
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If you have a problem with disappearing components, it is not typical Podium behaviour. Components work fine (apart from the texture distortion issue) for everyone else.

You mention the free version - hat is v1.7 and the code is completely different. The only similar things are the name, the website and the underlying principles. Everything else is different.

Was the model created with native SU geometry, or imported from another modeller? Do you have any other plugins installed? Maybe there is a conflict.

You could also try reinstalling Podium. If that doesn't work, please can you post the model. This is not normal behaviour at all.


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Hi Bigstick,
I reinstalled Podium Beta and still have the same problems. It is loosing not only components but also some from scratch windows(new since last time) in the apex of the gable. The model was created from scratch as a learning exercise so is by no means 100% accurate I am still playing and learning sketch up. I have couple of other plug ins all free or eval  versions inc IDX renditionerm, IES VE and home builder (framing).
It has to be something that has changed since the rendering that i did on the 30th August prior to uploading it again on the 2nd Sept. I have attached the model (not perfect model by any means) and the latest render from Beta and the eval version. I was hoping to get on with lighting the interior prior to the 15th so any help would be appreciated. 

Sorry Model is 4.95MB so won't upload any workarounds???

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Hi Again,
I have zipped it hope you can access it.

 
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This is a really, really interesting scene. Beautifully modelled and nicely organised, but some of your components aren't rendering. Some are rendering just fine, but others aren't. There are also some groups that aren't rendering either.

This is very weird indeed and I haven't seen it for some time. It does look like a bug, and I'll flag it up for attention before release.

This is really helpful - thanks!

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Hi, i'm new here, i downloaded the file and make a render with the latest beta, some components were missing with my first render. but i dont think its a bug coz  when i open the layers and checked the layer0 and render again, the result is it renders as it should, all components renders fine.
sorry don't know how to attach the image.

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Malcom,  I did the exact same thing that Rome did.  When I turned on Layer 0, everything rendered fine. Turning layer 0 on and off does not appear to have any effect on the SketchUp screen but it makes a difference in the rendered image.  Is it possible the same components are on two different layers?
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Try exploding the model.  You will see a message a SketchUp message about visible geometry to merge with existing gemoetry on a hidden layer.
I even fired up Podium 1.7.3 with this model and the results are the same as with V2.
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As a general rule, it is best to keep all your geometry on Layer 0, and place groups and components on named layers. If you hide Layer 0 it is very common indeed to experience weird results.
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Hi Bigstick and everyone,
Many thanks for the input, that cunning layer 0 eh!!!
Reminds me of the early days with Autocad layer 0 always caused problems.

So Bigstick, in future I should keep to using layer 0 for geometry and group onto named layers. To me it makes sense for geometry in a group to all be on the same layer??

Its interesting as Archicad and I think Revit automatically create the layers for your construction groups and from what I have seen steer you clear of layer 0 and as I recall when you created a group(block) way back in earlier Autocad you had to crate it on layer 0 and then I think change its layer.

However I will play with some interior lighting now. This also may explain why I had weird results when studying shadows as some times thay would dissapear between 1 hour and the next.

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Yup, I'm afraid it's the easiest solution. To be honest I agree with you in principle over layering. In practice however no-one is as well organised regarding layers as they would like to be, and the better you try to organise your model, the more surprised you are when you don't get it right 100%

Much better to concentrate just on putting the components and blocks on layers.
It's more reliable that way!

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