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Kay

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Hi,

I am going thru the trial version of Podium browser , but looks like I may need more options of Contemporary office Collaboration and Workstation furniture
( like the ones offered by some leading manufacturers like Steelcase, Herman miller, Haworth etc. ) ....some of them provide models on Sketchup warehouse (at times these are modelled with all hidden  nut and bolts details like a real manufacturing assembly).

A)
Can we bring 3ds max models.. which I may get from some friends libraries as they don't work in sketchup.  Will such modelling  be clean enough after bringing in to sketchup from 3dsMax..so that I may avoid rendering time woes on my average machine ?

B)
Please also guide what may be done to reduce modelling and rendering time with so many instances of chairs , workstations and light fixtures in an Open-plan office work-hall (large/medium size ). I have seen guys using proxies in Vray for the same .

Any suggestions for above two queries shall be greatly helpful .

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1. You need to manage your polygon count when you render. It's even more important if your machine isn't very powerful.
We took a lot of Browser items from manufacturer's sites, but a lot has been modified and in many cases remodelled to reduce poly count. You will have to do this yourself unfortunately.
This is one of the reasons we built the Browser!

2. You can use files from Max, but they need to be saved/exported as .3ds format. If you can find .3ds files, you can import them to SketchUp, but - refer to point 1 above [smile]

Most applications need proxy objects to be specifically defined. It's in effect level of detail geometry. I don't know how Vray works, but I doubt it automatically builds proxies. They have to be defined manually, I don't believe there is a magic build-me-a-low-poly-version-of-a-detailed-component-automatically-and-use-it-as-a-proxy-object function in any modeller or renderer.
If only there was - if you find one, please let us know!

How these work, is that the application (Sketchup in this case) needs to be able to switch between high and low polygon versions of components. You can do this manually by creating your proxy geometry, and using any one of a number of plugins to switch between components.

If you can direct us to some manufacturers' sites where we can find their 3D data, we can download their models and modify them for the Browser. Obviously they need to allow this and can't be commercial sources.



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Thanks a lot for your prompt response.

Podium browser content ,excellent support and helpful community are the major reasons why I am here.

Shall try as per your suggestions .

Thanks again!
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Hi Jim,

Here are some links to the website .  Most of them are on sketchup warehouse already .
I guess ,if you tell the m that you shall take care of their branding etc( maybe separate page /sub-section?) they may agree to putting their stuff here ?

  1. Steelcase : https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection/a077981e16c55f28f91663a74ccd2338/Steelcase    ... and  ....  https://www.steelcase.com/asia-en/resources/3d-models-cad/
  2. Herman Miller : https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/collection/ua4761345-7f9c-46ab-a87c-a575c767c8ac/Herman-Miller-Collection
  3. Haworth: https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/user/0676735780454547481337370/Haworth?nav=models
  4. Sedus: https://www.sedus.com/en/solutions/planning-tools/sketchup/
  5. Bene:https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/user/1731627974709256069902112/Bene?nav=models
  6. Teknion:https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/user/u3b8e6e58-8222-41f4-9913-e8b9c38e6a1b/Teknion?nav=models
  7. Vitra:https://www.vitra.com/en-as/office/product
  8. Zumtobel lighting : https://3dlibrary.rubysketch.com/brands/zumtobel

Can you please also guide regarding the appropriateness of the modelling there ...in case some of them are usable right off their shelf ?

Thanks .

Kay
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Thanks, but we can't easily re-use 3DW models.

If we remodel or significantly modify other people's models, we don't need permission. Particularly when we import the geometry from other formats into SU.

When we use manufacturer's data, the resulting model in the Browser is not able to be identified as originating from the original. We structure, componentise and simplify the geometry and apply custom textures and light sources.

We already have lots of Zumtobel and Vitra components.

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Thanks, but we can't easily re-use 3DW models.

If we remodel or significantly modify other people's models, we don't need permission. Particularly when we import the geometry from other formats into SU.

When we use manufacturer's data, the resulting model in the Browser is not able to be identified as originating from the original. We structure, components and simplify the geometry and apply custom textures and light sources.


Most of these companies have their cad / 3ds formats on their websites. I gave 3DWarehouse links as I imagined that those will be easy to use. Top 3 ones are the most used ones in real world scenarios .If you may put them in your roadmap for content development,it shall be great.

Podium browser is a fantastic resource already...and if it can grow with more real life examples , professionals and designers from AEC industry shall be most benefitted by the combination of great modelling and quick and impressive renderings .

I have done couple of quick tests with podium browser and renderer..and I am hooked. The models are great ...and placing lights is fun with fantastic results. Hats off to the Podium team !

Once again ...thanks for prompt response as always .

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What you might not realise with some manufacturers' websites, is that lots of different international sites have different resources [smile]

For example US pages might have the downloads, but UK ones might not. Some might require creating accounts, which is a pain, and I tend not to bother.

I think it might have been Luceplan where I had to visit the Italian site in Italian, to try to download their models.

Steelcase is a good example of this. Their Asian site for downloads is awful, but their  US site is much better.

The Haworth site is a bitch to find their 3d download, and when you find them, it's dwg, dxf and 3ds only - not good. It's a truly terribly-designed site for this sort of thing - I'll not be using that!

Sedus has 3d downloads - but it's another case of 15 clicks to get a single file, and it's only dwg/dxf. One of these files is 60mb in size - so, not bothering with this either...

Steelcase is much better, we could use those, but they need a lot of cleaning up. Most need componentising and remodelling. Not worth the effort for most items.

Bene - again lots of clicks to get the files, but 8mb for a single office chair? Polygon count is way too high, needs too much cleaning up. Most of these files will need to be substantially rebuilt. Not worth the effort in my opinion.

Teknion - these guys actually get it! They have created their own 3DW collection, we can use these!

Herman Miller - another site that doesn't make downloading their 3d product data less pleasant than undergoing root canal. Big files and truly awful Sketchup models though. Simply imported 3ds files, very messy indeed, so much work to clean up, not worth the time and effort.

The result of this is that of your list, we have just maybe 2 manufacturers whose data is usable.  

It's also worth mentioning that we don't really need specific furniture for most interiors. Most of the time you only need something which is indicative. If specific manufacturers have iconic products, it's worth us spending time to add them.

Otherwise, it might not be worth adding.

However, with Steelplan and Teknion, we should have some decent new additions.








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Thanks for taking pains to investigate all these links. Truly appreciate all the efforts!

I was just pointing out one section of Podium browser (which may get developed in due course of time) to cater to a large segment of commercial / corporate office interiors industry. Even if the components are generic in nature ( and not iconic or brand specific).. they shall be a great tool.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by bigstick
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Most applications need proxy objects to be specifically defined. It's in effect level of detail geometry. I don't know how Vray works, but I doubt it automatically builds proxies. They have to be defined manually, I don't believe there is a magic build-me-a-low-poly-version-of-a-detailed-component-automatically-and-use-it-as-a-proxy-object function in any modeller or renderer.
If only there was - if you find one, please let us know!

How these work, is that the application (Sketchup in this case) needs to be able to switch between high and low polygon versions of components. You can do this manually by creating your proxy geometry, and using any one of a number of plugins to switch between components.



I`m not sure I understand you correctly bigstick, but isn't the exactly how proxies in vray work? 

1. you have a high poly object
2. you press the "export proxy"button 
3. you have a low poly proxy of the object ready for rendering

Or am i missing you point?
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You're right - this is a new feature in Vray 3.6. It always used to be the case that proxies had to be built individually but the latest version automatically builds a simplified version of the geometry in your model.

With a number of other render engines that handle proxies, you have to build them manually.

Proxies aren't generally for rendering, they are geometry placeholders so that it's easier to navigate the model with a much lower polygon count.

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Thanks for adding large office assemblies in Podium Browser. It shows how you guys care for user feedback.

Now hoping about requests for Proxies and Region -render features also to get fulfilled someday .... :)

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