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atrodler

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I know this is a sketchup question but my questions are usually answered more accurately here.

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Shift+eraser = hide edges
option+eraser = smooth AND soften edges
what or how can I make a shortcut to only soften edges.

I'm trying to find a way to bypass the right click and select soften option because, on top of having to right click and select soften,  I have to select all the edges first. The other two options work in conjunction with the eraser tool which is nice as you do not have to select edges first, and doesn't invoke any context menu.

Simply investigating workflow efficiency potential. [wink]

Anyone?

 

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I use these all the time. What's the difference between soften, and smooth and soften?
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Smooth works in concert with soften edges and literally smoothes out the surface, like you’d find with glassware, or a car windshield, or in my case, nice rolling undulating ground. Soften turns off the edge line work but keeps the edge visible. I some times will add a chamfered edge to something, let’s say a curb, where I want the edge to be evident in the chamfer but no visible line work. I don’t use hidden lines very often at all. Hidden and soften are similar at first glance but hidden lines are just that hidden. With soften lines you can control the level of softness by sliding the angle between normals slider which controls the rate of softness. I haven’t found a use for this in my work. I can’t remember what exactly was the problem I ran into with hidden edges but I do remember from time to time having trouble with how they operate.
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I still don't understand. If you soften an edge, you smooth the surface by controlling the amount of softness.  It's the same thing isn't it?

If you want no edges, but no smoothing of the geometry, you hide the edges. If you want to make a chamfer look like a rounded edge, but with fewer polygons, you soften it.

I don't understand how smooth and soften are different things...

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Soften is not smoothed and it is slightly different than hidden otherwise there wouldn’t be a choice. Like I said, soften and hidden are similar at first glance but there are differences in how the edges can be controlled. I said I haven’t had a use for the control function but that function separates soften from hidden. I did not say I want a chamfered edge to be rounded. I wanted it to remain chamfered but without the line work showing. I could have used hidden edges but like I said there is a difference in how the edges can be worked with. A smoothed edge takes the softened edge one step further and smoothes it out similar to what we described.

Experiment with it I suppose and see for yourself.

Why I tend to gravitate towards soften instead of hidden is a reason that I can’t recall other than I seem to remember running into issues with hidden edges. I wish I could remember what it was. .

This guy explains why one would use soften vs hidden.



However, my question remains. See top of thread.

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I know all this stuff, I've been using SketchUp since version 2, but I still don't really get the distinction between soften and smooth. I've never understood it and think they are effectively the same thing, or put another way, I think that the distinction is so subtle as to be not worth making.

If you want to see faces with no edges, you just use hide.

If you want the display to blend a transition between them, you soften the edges. This in effect converts a number of hard edged polygons into single contiguous surface, where the transition between polygon edges is no longer hard.

The extent to which you soften the edges can be adjusted to make the surface look smoother. A softened edge is essentially the same as a smoothed edge, you just have control over the how smooth/soft the transition is.

There is no separate command for it, and I believe it isn't different at a data level. 

Therefore, I would contend that there is no point in differentiating between soft and smooth. The guy in the video doesn't actually seem to clarify this for me.



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All I’m looking for is whether or not I can make a shortcut.
Thanks though.

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Have you tried setting the soften and smooth parameters to what you want and using the eraser option?
Does that use the current settings?

I thought it did, but I’ll test it...

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yeah that's how I do it now.
opt + eraser = smooth (which includes s
often)
shift + eraser = hide.

hence my question of trying to find a shortcut for soften only. maybe it can't be done. but it would be nice to use the eraser option rather than have to select edges first. 

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I wonder if there's a free "Selection brush" plugin?  That way you could select with strokes instead of clicks and then just use the soften operation from the dialog.  It would be closer to using the eraser tool at least.

I know Artisan has a selection brush, but it isn't free.

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Thanks! Good idea!
I did a quick search and didn’t find one that jumped out. A couple may do it. I don’t know, I’d have to try them out I guess. A deeper search may pull out more.
Thanks again.



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My point was if the only difference between soften and smooth is the smoothing angle and coplanar edges, if Opt-click simply uses the current settings, if you set the parameters to what you want, it should 'just work'.
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Big stick, dude, SHORTCUT.
I have no problems with the function. I’m looking for a SHORTCUT.
Thanks though.

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Sorry, I should have said the current opt-click shortcut should just work 😉
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I don't know if this helps

There's this plugin from ThomThom Selection Toys

https://extensions.sketchup.com/en/content/selection-toys

Most of the time I used it to select all the edges and hide them maybe some combination of shortcuts you can make to achieve what you want


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