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http://www.panopdm.com/viewer.php?application=panorama&id=361eede1bfffbf7e696b42cc1d5a49627c9307c3



Al lot to fix and adjust going forward, but I am happy with this first go at a panorama.

4000 x 2000 (5000 next time.)

interior bright high preset

30 degree field of view...(thinking 35 next time.)

no post processing. (needs some though.)

It is hard to position myself (the camera) to give an undistorted view of all the rooms. The living / dining/ kitchen are open to each other, but in an L shape so the dining gets kind of wonked out when I position myself.  Maybe two separate panoramas is the answer.

Any comments and advice are welcome.

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Looking good! Two panoramas would be better, and that's what our new Pano Tour feature allows you to do.

Distortion is an issue however, but I'm not sure how we overcome that.

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Its a really good start, there lots of nice details in your model.

I would like to see it with with out the lights on, there should be enough natural light coming in and using the interior bright preset this will also help, remember shadow (dark areas) also had realism to renders.

I would also suggest raising you eye level, around 1.6m would be good, it seems too low at the moment.

I look forward to seeing the next one.

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Thanks for the comments.

Ahhhh...lights...one of my favorite topics[biggrin]

I have had many long winded conversations about using lights in the daytime...I like them, and more importantly my clients like  them.

I will however try this render without lights. My prediction is as follows.

- it will be too dark.
- it will render way faster[smile]
- it will feel moody

I really do agree that the proper use of lights adds realism and the shadows add drama, but I guess I am not truly going for that level of realism. I am selling these rooms to clients who want to see the detail.

I find that the average (non design professional) client does not see what we see when they look at these images. They do not often appreciate the subtlety of a soft morning light as it slices across the perfectly reflective floor and splashes gently on the floor vase only to ultimately die slowly in a soft, fading, glow. When I go for that feeling..."can you make it brighter?"...That it the comment most often heard in my world.

I also think that the design style often seen on this forum is of a more modern or contemporary leaning and they play better in a hard shadowed moody environment.

There is a reason, realtors and home stagers will turn on all the lights in a home before a showing...It helps sell the place.

Having said all that, I never put my foot down so hard that I can't pick it up again, so I will try as you say.

Thanks for the advice.

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I really do agree that the proper use of lights adds realism and the shadows add drama, but I guess I am not truly going for that level of realism. I am selling these rooms to clients who want to see the detail. 

I find that the average (non design professional) client does not see what we see when they look at these images.


Couldn’t agree more. It seems that the main objective for most of the forum users is trying to get the most realistic image.

But when dealing with the client, you often want to express other things. Accentuate the luminosity and lightness of the design for example. Turning on the lights, even while the daylight comes in, can help to accomplish that. Turning the lights on, also helps to increase the first impact of the image and the first impression is always the most important...

Thanks pmolson, for sharing your beautiful model and for teaching us that we should never forget the goal of our renders.


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Hi Paul,  

I know you have had long debates with Jim about lights on or off, I have have read all the posts!

I personally never have the lights on because it increases the render time so much, so I always try to set up my scene so no artificial light is required, this is normally a combination of changing the north direction in the model to allow the most amount of light in the room, and also using the right preset, and then some work in Photoshop to adjust the levels. 

I think your pano has been done well with the lights on as its not easy to balance all the lights to the right power settings to get an even spread of light that you have done. Yet I still think this is much more work and effort for a less realistic result.

All the renders I do are for clients that want to see the design we have come up with, but I do not need the lights on to show up the detail as it can be done as described above and the renders will render more quickly. If I had all the lights on I would have to leave it rendering through the night everytime, I need to get the renders out far more quickly.

Here is a kitchen render I have just done, its not photo realistic but it does the job with out the need to have the lights on, there is also a boot room and landing for the same project: 

http://panopdm.com/viewer.php?application=panorama&id=14c056eb2798be5130f46df7597f519a112c8ef4

http://panopdm.com/viewer.php?application=panorama&id=abad2bb24b99b4606b28913fcf49265782f260a5

http://panopdm.com/viewer.php?application=panorama&id=5deb3a9631de2d4aa856ceac51568d6738cdbbd9

I do not turn lights off to get moody renders, I just feel natural light is more realistic and is enough to light up most rooms with windows, here is a small boot room with just one small window in the door, but it is enough natural light to light up the room:

http://panopdm.com/viewer.php?application=panorama&id=718c74df96a70d91cb2dbe3426eb9e022872495b


For me having the lights on is only worth doing if you are going to do a night or evening render and show the client how the artificial lights would look when they would normally be on.

Of course if you have a formula that works and one that your clients prefer you should stick to it, and to be honest if Jim can not convince you to turn them off I never will [biggrin]

I just don't what others on the forum to think that you can not show up all the detail in you model unless you have the lights on, or that having them off will always produce a moody dark render as this is not the case.

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"I just don't what others on the forum to think that you can not show up all the detail in you model unless you have the lights on, or that having them off will always produce a moody dark render as this is not the case."


I hope you all understand that I am not condemning the non use of artificial light. You guys are really good at it and I am not. I use too too much artificial light..no doubt about it. 

As hard as I try, I cannot get enough natural light into most buildings without putting windows where there aint any. I would love to be able to save time on renders. 

Also, I mis-spoke about loss of detail without lights. In many cases lights obliterate detail due to light bounce and un-natural shadows. Detail can be shown just fine without lights.
What I was trying to say (very poorly) is that lights bring certain details to light so to speak. Under cabinet lights for instance cast a fan shaped pattern on the back splash and draw the eye to the area and add an element of oooooohhhhh....ahhhhhhhh.

In my world, it is more realistic to have lights on. Unless i am just passing through a room, the light switch will be flipped on when entering. Old, hard worked, eyes need light to function.

I have noticed that the many renders done without lights have better looking materials. The subtlety of texture is often washed away with artificial light.

I truly believe the best renders are not done without lights, and the best renders are not done with too many lights. There is a balance to be struck which can result in renders that have warmth & life while maintaining the subtle effects natural light brings. I have not achieved that balance, but I have not given up.

The only time I bristle at the comments I see on this subject is when the "turn off all lights" is used in nearly every critique. Lights are not evil. [smile]




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Looking good! Two panoramas would be better, and that's what our new Pano Tour feature allows you to do.


I am ready to tackle a pano tour.

Can someone direct me to a "how to do that" document, thread, video, tutorial?

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Not quite ready yet. We'll announce it when it is [smile]

Before anyone asks the obvious - no I don't know when it will be ready...

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If you could have it ready by Monday that would be fine.[biggrin]
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