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"Hideous use of concrete".  Man you better do not start me on that  one.

I had a honor to meet Zaha (and gave her lift home once) on several occasions. She is probably the most courageous woman in architecture. Full stop. Being a woman and from Iraq certainly did not help her. She has developed and maintained her unique approach to architecture. Not many architects could claim that.

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Maybe I used the wrong word, maybe I should have used 'excessive' - I'm not sure whether you are against or for what I said...

 

Don't get me wrong I like her work, but the point I'm trying to state is that all architects have their style, right?

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I am not sure what would "excessive" mean in the context. Zaha uses very small palette of materials with precision and taste. No offense but to me this sounds you divide world to good and bad materials.

I would agree that architects should develop their unique approach to architecture. Style...? Architecture is not about style.

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Then.. what is it about then? There is no way an architect would stick to the norm - regardless of the environment (that's a different circumstance)- wouldn't they want something to differentiate themselves from the rest? You can't say that Frank Gehry's approach to architecture is the same as David Adjaye's approach - or can you?
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Ooh, now you've started something you'll probably regret

 

To me anyway, 'Architecture' is about exploring or expressing ideas/theories/feelings about what a building ought to be.

 

Style is just lazily copying elements from someone else's work without really understanding or appreciating the foundation of the design. Sometimes we all do it because nothing in the world is truly unique, but there is a subtle difference between being inspired by something and just ripping it off!

 

Architectural 'styles' arise when people become interested in certain ideas and explore them for themselves. You get the innovators (like Hadid and Gehry) and the followers who slavishly copy the forms.

 

Zaha Hadid's work is not about style, it is about exploring and expressing dynamism and movement. There is a big difference in say her Vitra factory and BMW factory. Vitra was characterised by sharp spiky forms, whereas the BMW factory is all about plasticity and has some very smooth curvy shapes.

She has not just stuck to the same look with pointy spiky bits, her work is evolving, and out of a conscious examination of ideas. You can see this because her work is not comfortable, and the consistency of the approach makes itself felt right throughout her buildings. She is a true 'giant' of contemporary architecture. Her work raises some important questions, not least, "Where does architecture end and sculpture begin?". Also, can a building whose design is not centred around the occupants really be called 'Architecture'?" 

 

This kind of single-minded approach can characterise the work of architects whose output seems totally different in every respect. The important thing is the ideas that underpin a design, and the rigour with which they are implemented.

 

When you develop/hone your critical and analytical abilities, you'll form your own view of what constitutes architecture. The important thing is to remain open-minded and to keep asking questions


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Spot on mate. I would just add concept,concept,concept.

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"Keep asking questions."

 

At the risk of starting endless arguments.

 

 

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 You wanted discussion and you got it. Going through the school of architecture will change your stance beyond what you are imagining now.

Keep at it.

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An architectural forum would be useful... Here in the UK, I'm still in college, but in the next two years, I will be starting the uni course, so any advice would be helpful!

 

On the design: I'm probably in no position to speak (or type in this case) but every designer has their style, don't they? It would be kinda boring if everything followed set rules. Just look at Zaha Hadid and her hideous use of concrete.



The first advice I could made to you is : Zaha Hadid is a kind of Master in Architecture and she's not in the college anymore since... a long time. So when you'll have REALLY understand all the signification and the process of it's work, then... Even if, you're right, we don't have to follow "set rules". I will be very curious you show us some of your architectural "tastes".
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Well, it looks like that architectural subforum is getting of the ground.

Moderators what are you waiting for...

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... to remember the password that is on the other computer
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lol

 

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>At the risk of starting endless arguments

 

An 'argument' is just a debate or discussion that has got a little out of control.

 

I think everyone here is reasonable enough not to get abusive!

 

If you really want to study architecture, then get used to arguing (sorry, debating ) because you'll be doing it right through your education and most likely for your entire career...


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Yay!!!!!!!

(To the starter of this thread - sorry this has gone sooo off topic...)
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So . . . I have a chicken and egg question?  You know "which came first the chicken or the egg?"

 

Which comes first the "concept" or the "idea"? 


My instructors seem to have a difficult time in sufficiently defining what "concept" is.  It's a moving target depending upon which instructor tackles the question.   


Is a concept the springboard for all ideas or an idea the basis for a concept?Or are they one in the same? 


Philosophically confused student of design: 


Rae



Edit:  You're right KingJimi.  It is off-topic.  My apologies to Mini11.  Maybe TBD will take pity on us and create the architectural sub-forum.  In the meantime . . . concept vs. idea . . . anybody? 

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