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Your instructors are stuck in an academic bubble, they are both wrong based on a real life answer.


First of all based on an architectural project/work one must realise that architects do not sit around waiting for epiphanies and conceptualising them into wonders of the world, nope...they await the need, the customer, the comissioner or the investor. Now in real life the client/investor hardly ever hands one a project without having certain requirements like "build me a big building that looks fantastic using any material you can dream of, defying all laws of gravity and space"...nope...that never happened to me at least. so to answer your instructors torment, your comissioner gives you the concept as well as your restrictions, requirements, limitations, timelines and budget.


 


Working within these mentioned requirements as well as the cities arsenal of limitations, not to mention the pesky gravity thing one gets to start the design process... now one might call this the idea stage, but in reality it is more the problem solving stage (the reason we have jobs and designers do not do museums) and the whole point of needing your instructors, as we design architectural structures that conform to the needs and requirements of those who want them and those that regulate them. What seperates the masters from the misters here is conforming to all requirements of function and doing it in an original and architecturaly sound and pleasing to the eye way.


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Wow..this has gone in a completely different direction...


 


ATTENTION  I'M HIJACKING THIS THREAD AND FLYING IT TO TIJAUANA...JUST CLICK "SAVE" AND NOBODY GETS HURT..


 


 


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"Working within these mentioned requirements as well as the cities arsenal of limitations, not to mention the pesky gravity thing one gets to start the design process... now one might call this the idea stage, . . ."

 

I hear your frustration regarding the "real world" and the many regulations required of all professionals, both architects and designers alike, and I agree that programming (the client's needs and wants) must be met or you won't get or keep the job.  

 

Just for the sake of argument lets say you or I one day get that dream commission of a museum, library, etc.  The programming is handed to you and they say go forth and design.   It still begs the question. . . which comes first the concept or the idea? 

 

 

David:

Feel free to jump in . . . Tujiana? Why Tujiana?

 

 

TBD:

Architectural sub-forum, pleeze . . . 

 

 

Mini11:

Please forgive the intrusion in your thread.  I'm hoping you are finding this as informative as I am.  Just post if you want it to stop.  Mini11 are you there?

 

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Okay if it is the semantics of the words then  I would say that you need an idea of the concept, but then again if the concept is broader like as in your example the concept is the museum, then you need to formulate an idea for a design. Now....the idea for the design can also be called a concept...



 



SO!! the concept of this idea to answer your question is rediculous and like a dog chasing his own tail we will go in circles.  There is one example of a definate contrast...when Disney conjured up the concept of the idea bulb above Mickey's head.



 



Did Freud not say that an idea is spontaneous? therefore a concept is deliberate.


 


 


lol...like our avatars we will fight this one like cats and dogs.


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In my opinion, I think a concept is based on a cluster of multiple IDEAS, which somehow has a link created within them, thus a "concept" arises.  An idea on its own is singular, following one (maybe not one) vision, realised through refining. I see a concept to become an idea, through such a process of refining and modification.
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why not start a new thread in Lounge about architectural stuff and I will move them to the subforum when I will create it.

I will delete from now on messages that are not comments on the Flex Project. ok ?
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okay...so if I say I can be FLEXable on the whole idea vs concept thing it's all good?


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