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Yes sorry, I believe you're correct and that 32 cores / 64 threads was the best solution for V2.5.

I initially typed the specs of Dave's machine wrong.  It's a 36 core / 72 thread -- So adding those extra 4 cores was triggering the segregation, and then Podium unfortunately wasn't recognizing the second processor group.

He did try disabling 2 cores per processor to bring the total down to 32, but I don't think it ended up being an ideal solution. Dave talks about this here: http://supodiumforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/what-computer-is-fastest-be-careful-7924473?highlight=xeon&pid=1290836933 (maybe you've already seen this one).

Edit - I'm not sure about Win Server compatibility and don't want to provide any misinformation.





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Kray3 support the newest CPU. no limits with threads.
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Last night, I did successfully test installing, opening and running sketchup 2016 and podium 2.5 (and a test render) on a VM of windows server 2012 standard ed install GUI version. This opens the door. 
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So... I pulled the trigger on that monster server (although old). 
It's an hp DL580 - 4 processor (40cores/80 threads) cost about 1k includding shipping as of recent prices via ebay. 
clean winserver2012 install - not all drivers set though in device manager. 

kray test completed in 2:15.8 or  76th place (4417)
All 80 threads engaged

Sketchup and podium installed but have only done a super quick test to see that it renders. It did. Not sure if all 80 threads engaged. 

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Hey! great news J! cool that you tried "the beast" 1k for that performance I think is pretty decent! 

80 [intel] Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7-L8867 @ 2.13GHz 

that's you?

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Nice, so that seems like it was a good buy then?  Everything above it would be considerably more expensive, correct?

Even with the Threadripper 1920 you'd be spending at least another 800 I imagine.

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that 80 thread is me... the processor is a low power version so also about 10% slower but something like 15-20% less power than the standard zeon of that time. I assume most above mine in the list would be considerably more expensive (which is why I posted the price for you who are interested in something different). Any threadrippers are going to be near 1k just for the processor alone. 

My server isn't optimized at all and I know at least 1 device in the device manager has an exclamation pt.  I don't expect it to get much faster having said all that. Also the drives are 15k drives not ssd and it's 2011 tech etc.etc. 

in podium - I am having it only engage 40 threads so the logical grouping issue is present here. I may have to disable 1 cpu which would give me 60 threads (30core) total to be under the 64 count limit.

Yes, I would say it's probably a good buy even as things are now and even if I have to disable 1 cpu (it will still be there for future upgrading). 
I'll keep you updated on any new notes. 

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Ran this with a Ryzen 1700x. Score was 3871, placed 86th. Not bad for a $350 CPU I think.

I'm actually supersized to see Threadripper at the top... I knew it was good, but I didn't know it was that good.
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All the ryzens are Awesome tech. If I were to buy a workstation machine instead of a back end render machine, I would have put in the extra cash down and gone that route 100%! I priced them when I first did the kray test and I noted that the 1700x scored similar to my machine. The 1700s are approx $1500 for a complete machine. It's amazing that a 16 thread machine performs on par with an 80 core but older machine in certain tests. You (arwat23) may want to check out overclocking your machine since there are some scores well above yours, and mine, in that kray list. I can almost certainly guarantee that your power usage is going to be lower than mine as well. 

I'm not sure why my machine isn't as strong in some tests than it is in others but I assume it's the way the software is optimized (or my machine). Kray and passmark put mine right on par with a 1700 but other tests like cinebench or the cpuz bench mine much stronger comparatively. 

As far as my machine, the bios allows me to turn off cores on the cpus so I'm able to put 80 down to 64 and podium does use all cores when I do this. 
This only adds about 10 seconds (around 2:25 total) to my kray score output time (143 score -not saved). This is about 70-85% faster than my current workstation which is an dell precision T3500 which is still fantastic for anything that is not rendering (including games).
Other benchmarks are: 
Cinebench at 2730 (80) and 2381 (64 thread) 
Passmark at 13705 (also similar to 1700x numbers here as well)
cpuz at 6654 for multi thread and on par with a 1920x in this case example (only tested 64 threads on this one).  

So... 
Pros: Still a monster server for many uses besides rendering - good for other IT purposes as well
tons of cores/threads
128gb ram

Cons:
slow individual processor speed
slow ram (Don't actually know specs of ram but tested very slow - probably ddr3 800)
assumed high relative electricity usage compared to newer optimized machine
Loud... It's a server. 

And the reason I initially researched and bought this machine... it put my 25 hour render (as noted in a different thread) down to just under 4 hrs (3:51) so it's a huge improvement (85% reduction in time) for me in what I can output quickly. 

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Here is answer for your question according why is different Kray/Cinebech/others from Kray forum:
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Small benchmarks are not good for testing rendering speed. Amount of data in basic benchmarks are too small and some of calculations happen ONLY in CPU (with Cache L1, L2) without going to RAM modules through BUS system! Also using raytracing testers (Cinebench...propably) simply most of time you avoid huge data swapping CPU-BUS_system-RAM. Scenes in basic test renders are not in deep octree memory fragmentation because data are very little comparing to full photon map solution with QMC sampling.

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Thx janusz!
I'm fairly happy with my purchase as a solid value proposition for the cost and I assume arwat is with his ryzen. It's only going to get better for consumers as AMD is pushing the high core counts into the mass market forcing Intels hand. I, also, definitely look forward to seeing the next version of kray and podium in abusing those cores!
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With K3 we are still is shadow - still developing.
But after that we will start show with all feature and the newest technology in rendering 3D.

We have target: ultra quality renders (top available quality now) under 10 min in FullHD (Dual Xeon) without any power plants on your back (GPU render engines)

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I guess I'll have to start saving for some monster vid cards loooool! 
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I guess I'll have to start saving for some monster vid cards loooool! 

...and you will never buy them. Mining Virtual money is on the top right now (for example Bitcoin) for a couple years - it means you will buy medium GPU with difficulty, High Tech GPU with mission impossible.

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I just noticed that within the last week the amd cards have come down to their msrp. I saw multiple articles on the reddit sub. There is an assumption that aftermarket cards are coming out and this may be causing the price to normalize. Cryptocoins are something crazy! everybody should at least be aware of the paradigm shift that they are causing and I would recommend buying or mining them and let them sit for a few years.
I have already done so myself and very glad I did... 
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