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bljeffries

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I am looking for people of all colors in podium browser - I only see white people. This seems like a pretty major oversight.. does anyone know if there are plans to add people of color to the browser?
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Actually this has been pointed out before, and it's glaringly evident.

It's actually interesting, because although it's certainly not intentional, it indicates some interesting things about our society.

The Browser library was made by us using photos of people we know, or people in my casual photos! We can't just use random people in photos, because of legal issues.

Most of the people in the Library were taken by Nick, of his student friends in Quebec. Not much diversity there apparently [smile] Dave also took some photos while in Asia.

The rest were from my photos, and I try not to have people in my photos if I'm photographing buildings or may family. The people I found that were suitable, weren't black or Asian. These are the commonly-used terms in the UK. Here, people of Afro-Caribbean origin prefer to be called 'black'.
Where I live in rural Wales, there's not a lot of diversity either, to the point that it would be rude if I asked people!

But - we would like to fix it, it's kind of shameful actually. I was hoping Val could help us out here, he lives in the Caribbean. I should have asked him directly.
If you are in a position to do this, PM me, and I'm sure we can remedy the situation [smile]

If not, I'll contact Val and see what we cans do.

Thanks a lot for flagging this up, it's something I meant to address a long time ago!




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Thank you for your quick response! it is interesting to hear how the images were made - the quality of the images of people that are in the browser are definitely top notch.

I am an architect in Jackson Mississippi (deep south US), so to represent all of our community in project renderings, we must have images of diverse people (here our population is mostly black, white, and Hispanic), without this diversity, the people in podium browser are almost unusable for me. One of the things I love about, and one of the reasons I purchased, podium browser is that there is so much high quality content that I do not have to spend time creating on my own. Has anyone at podium browser considered hiring models of various ethnicities to add to the browser?

I wonder if there are other places to download high quality 2d face-me people.. not finding anything on 3d warehouse. please advise if anyone knows of anything..

Thanks!
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We have tried in the past to get this addressed, but none of the people that flag it up are prepared to help.

We aren't in areas with lots of black people [smile]

Could you possibly help?

If so, PM me, and we'll see what we can do [smile]

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Contacting Val is a really good idea! I think photography is his primary day job?

Ryan and I could try to set something up here in Bellingham.  Bellingham is like 85% Caucasian, but I think we could get a decent amount of diversity in the 20-30 age group up at WWU.

We have also talked about going up to Vancouver and shooting.  Stop me if this sounds crazy, but our idea was to set up with a tripod and a big cooler of bottled water/drinks/snacks at Stanley Park and offer refreshments in exchange for photographs.

We'd be able to shoot a lot of Asians in Vancouver, but I think black and Hispanic would still be a problem.



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I would be happy to help. I will PM you.

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Yeah this was definitively not intentional. As Jim said, not much diversity in Quebec city either!

Diversity aside, I like using silhouettes instead of people. Helps show the scale of space without the distracting effect of real figures (especially if they are not well integrated).

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Nick, for many people I think silhouettes are completely unacceptable.

What is the point of trying really hard to tune your renders to be as realistic and natural-looking as possible, and then populate them with silhouettes which undo all the work you have put in!

No, we need a proper range of people for a broad range of renders. If you want sketchy, indicative images, go ahead and add your silhouettes (I would never have any in my office, they just look ugly unless they are tiny and in the distance) but if you want photorealism, you need photographic people.

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We have a lot more diversity in the selection of 2D people, coming this month (July 2017).  Watch for it please.
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