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I know this is such a vague question and gets recycled a lot. but.

I don't have Nvidia cards but with these specifications will I see any difference in animation processing time as compared to the original version of podium walker I had on an older dual core I7 machine. 

Processor Name:6-Core Intel Xeon E5

  Processor Speed:3.5 GHz

  Number of Processors:1

  Total Number of Cores:6

  L2 Cache (per Core):256 KB

  L3 Cache:12 MB

  Memory:32 GB

 

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Yes.  Podium Walker is a CPU based raytracing program.  So the faster and the more cores you have on your computer, the faster the rendering.  It's like SU Podium.  BTW - we are not letting Podium Walker die.  We will have a 2019 version for Win/ Mac.  We may also be adding a couple of features.
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ProWalker GPU only works on Windows.

However if you have a Mac you can use Bootcamp and an external GPU enclosure (this is what Zeus uses) it will run just fine.

ProWalker is very fast. If my main machine was a Windows one, I would use it all the time. For interiors I prefer SUPodium, but for exteriors, I think I actually prefer ProWalker.

It's not that ProWalker interiors are not great (I think they are very, very good indeed) it's just that I prefer the look of Podium interiors.

Podium Walker (which does not have GPU acceleration) runs on Windows or Mac. I'm not sure later versions of Podium Walker will be any faster than earlier ones.  PW relies entirely on CPU speed.

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Yeah I know it’s windows only. I currently run Windows via parallels which is fine for what I need to do which is run autocad when I need it. So I’m curious how it would do with prowalker with the specs posted earlier. I’m not familiar with what Zeus is doing. I’ll have to look into that. I really want to do some of the animation but it just takes way too long on the original podium walker. That’s is what lead me to ask whether what I have, even though it is not NVIDIA based, would still be faster, and by faster I mean not 24 hours to render an approximately 15 second clip. Trying to determine if I can do it, or get a separate machine, or I’ll have to figure what you described Zeus to be doing.

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In QCK mode I suppose it might still be as fast as Podium Walker on your CPU. Hard to say without testing, but please let us know if you do! One thing about Prowalker is that you can use time based "termination criteria" instead of samples based.

So if you have a hard time limit of 2.5 hours and need 450 frames finished.... you can set a time limit of 20 seconds per frame and you should have your animation in time.

The quality of the video would then be dependent on how many samples/iterations your cpu can calculate in 20 sec.


Hey congrats on the winter contest BTW! We'll be in touch

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Thanks JustinSlick. Nice to win one finally.
Also, regarding termination criteria, That is very interesting. Since my sketchup models are on large swaths of land, I’m always looking for the balance between maximum performance and maximum quality. So what you described is something that I would definitely experiment with. Do you foresee any incumberance to prowalker performance because I’d be running Windows as virtual machine via parallels? It is what I use now so it would be easy to just continue on with that setup.

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Haha oops I meant to say 450 frames, not 9000. I was on a plane runway and didn't get the edit saved before I lost my connection. Haunted me for five hours.

Anyway... I'm not really sure. I know Zeus runs it on Bootcamp, but he is also using an e-gpu so there's not as much burden on the processor. I have heard Parallels is a little more resource intensive, but I'm definitely not the right person to answer.

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From what I have heard, and somewhat counter-intuitively, Parallels is fast. I know a guy that runs Revit on it on a MacBook Pro and apparently has no issues. I've not seen it for myself though.

Logically you have hardware running one OS, running another OS, running a resource-intensive piece of software, which doesn't sound like it ought to be fast!

In my office I run VMWare Fusion, and I use it for our specification software and Microsoft Project. It's quite good, but I can't imagine running SketchUp or Archicad on it. However Parallels is supposed to be a lot faster than Fusion (Fusion has way better support which is more important in the corporate sector) but your mileage may vary.

If you want all the raw power available, use Bootcamp. Parallels is fast, but it's never, ever going to beat Bootcamp.

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I see.
My dad was a fusion VMware guy too as he was a network guy. I’m local only and parallels has been great. Windows boots up and runs faster than ever. Nice integration between the two OS. I understand boot camp but really utilize both platforms simultaneously. Boot camp would run one operating system or the other natively... correct? Not that it would be that detrimental to my work flow, I simply enjoy the convenience.

Thanks for all the input.

What it boils down to is I really want to experiment more with the animations. I can manipulate sketchup scenes nicely to get smooth fluid movement through the model and utilize a third party movie editor to piece it all together for a very effective presentation. I would love to be doing this with more photo realistic video captures.

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Bootcamp effectively treats your Mac hardware as a native Windows machine. When you start it up, you can use it as a Mac (with Parallels and everything else) or a plain Windows machine.

You can use both approaches simultaneously if you have enough storage space. I guess that for ProWalker GPU in Bootcamp, you might need to assign say 12Gb of storage space which will be permanently unavailable for your Mac. You are probably fine with 500Gb, but if you are buying a machine to use this way - 1Tb of SSD storage would be better.

My Work machine has 500Gb with VMWare, Microsoft Project and my Windows only specification and contract management applications. I have no issues with storage space, but I'm on a corporate network which stores all my working data. However - I do have 30Gb of e-mail stored locally because of our stupid corporate mail system.

At home, I've been using my 256Gb 2013 MacBook Air for 5 years without issue. I don't have a virtual machine running on it, but I do have a lot of working data.

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