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amorican

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i have some decent hardware (Intel i7-7700K, 4.20GHz, 16bg ram, GeForce 1070 8gb) and was having no issue while rendering.  but lately, while rendering, i can no longer let the render run in the background while i continue to work in other programs (such as autocad).
i can barely move the mouse pointer.  i have to walk away.  ...and walking away isn't an option.

the only thing i can think that has changed is a Windows update a couple weeks ago-ish.

does anyone have any ideas on what to look for?

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Have you changed the "set priority" level to "low" in the details tab of the task manager? 
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Have you changed the "set priority" level to "low" in the details tab of the task manager? 


Not even sure how, so, no.
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I haven't personally tried this, but I have heard it does have an effect.  Have you used Podium with low priority jlo?

  1. Open task manager
  2. Find OOPR.exe, right click and select "Go to details"
  3. Find OOPR.exe again, right click, Set Priority "Low" or "Below Normal."



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The weird thing is, I distinctly remember this being a problem for me at times in the past, but I have a render running right now and am not experiencing any sluggishness whatsoever.  I haven't installed that recent Windows update yet, but I did hear that it caused problems in a couple other graphics applications.  Notably, it was causing Wacom tablets to misbehave in Photoshop right after that update came out.

Anyway... I'm modeling in SketchUp at the same time as this render to check performance, and everything is still responsive up through the FG and Raytracing passes. Maybe I'll install that update tonight and see if anything changes.




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the task manager tip definitely has helped me and I do it often otherwise the GUI gets bogged down or whatever app you are running in the foreground gets bogged. Note that that tip isn't specific to podium - u can use it on any app that is running 100% cpu.
The easiest way to open task manager is to right click on a clear part of the task bar and it will be in the list -then follow the directions above. you're going to have to do this every time you open podium as it won't remember after you close it (unless you run a special app or other trick to remember the setting). 
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As a side note- this would also be a great wishlist software request to have oopr -always- start with lower priority by default. (This can probably be done by adding it to the command line output)
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I haven't personally tried this, but I have heard it does have an affect.  Have you used Podium with low priority jlo?
  1. Open task manager
  2. Find OOPR.exe, right click and select "Go to details"
  3. Find OOPR.exe again, right click, Set Priority "Low" or "Below Normal."


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Have you changed the "set priority" level to "low" in the details tab of the task manager? 


thanks for the replies & tip.  i went ahead and set oopr.exe's priority to low and rendered a view.
let's say my PC was 98% unusable during a render before - now it's about 75% unusable.  still lagging badly.

this is incredibly frustrating - and unacceptable, really.  as i need to work while rendering.

anyone think reinstalling podium might help?  if not, i don't want to waste my time there.

any other ideas?
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Well, we obviously aren't going to be able to really troubleshoot your machine over a forum but it's strange that even at low priority the process would be much of a factor. That's the point of making it low priority. On my machine, this will make it just about unnoticeable. I believe podium only affects the cpu so if your issue is there then low priority should do the trick- you can try lifting the priority of the app you want to be using while rendering. You may want to look for other apps bogging down the machine at the same time such a your browser or similar. If it's sketchup related or model related then make sure the sun/shadow is off, you minimize elements on screen by hiding them onto layers and you "purge unused" elements every so often. 

Personally, if you plan on doing a lot of lenders or renders that take a very long time then I recommend having a second "render" machine to completely separate the 2 and then your main workstation is completely unaffected. This is my workflow and it works great. Anytime I render something that will likely take an hour or longer then I throw it to the other machine and let it go.
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Well, we obviously aren't going to be able to really troubleshoot your machine over a forum but it's strange that even at low priority the process would be much of a factor. That's the point of making it low priority. so On my machine, this will make it just about unnoticeable. I believe podium only affects the cpu so if your issue is there then low priority should do the trick- you can try lifting the priority of the app you want to be using while rendering. You may want to look for other apps bogging down the machine at the same time such a your browser or similar. If it's sketchup related or model related then make sure the sun/shadow is off, you minimize elements on screen by hiding them onto layers and you "purge unused" elements every so often. 

Personally, if you plan on doing a lot of lenders or renders that take a very long time then I recommend having a second "render" machine to completely separate the 2 and then your main workstation is completely unaffected. This is my workflow and it works great. Anytime I render something that will likely take an hour or longer then I throw it to the other machine and let it go.


thanks. i appreciate your effort.
thing is, it happens with all models now.  and yeah, i purge often.

i'll be rendering again in a few minutes.  i'll try closing all other apps, see what happens.

as for a 2nd machine.  i considered doing this - i have an older machine that can handle the job - it'll just take longer.  but how this work with sketchup & podium licensing?


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That's actually an unavoidable consequence of rendering. It's intrinsically resource intensive!

If you want fast render times, you have to devote all your CPU time and as much RAM as necessary to the render process.
There are ways of tweaking presets to use less RAM and fewer CPU threads, but that's a bit advanced.

Otherwise you offload to another machine, which is why we created Podium Server. It allows you to model on your main machine, but offload the processing easily to a remote network machine, while being able to manage the process as easily as in Podium.

This deals with the licensing issue neatly.

Otherwise you need 2 licences, because you are using Podium on 2 machines more or less simultaneously. One to set up your scene and process the render, the other to actually do the rendering. Unless you closed SU down while the other machine was rendering, you would breach the licensing terms.





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