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by materials??? how???
can it be found in podium menu?? or in su paint bucket??
 about light bounces i mean in 3ds you will just input how many bounces of light do you want.. not changing the preset... sorry for using the name of other engine..


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Forget about complicated render engines like 3ds max.

You shouldn't need to change the number of bounces. The only way to do this will be to modify the presets. We will offer more support on preset modification for people who really understand what the various parameters do, but most people won't need this.

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Having editable presets is the better way IMO.
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They are editable now, it's just that it's only really sid that understands them

V2's parameters are more complex, but in a weird way, easier to understand. They are certainly better-documented.

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"Reflection (blurred or plain) should be an option of the texture and not of the surface."

That will be the way in  V2.

HOLY M TO THE F! AWESOME.

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I´ve being searching for a tool like podium for 15 years.
I started with 3d studio, hated it after a experience, the same happened with Vray and Kerkitia . I am an architect, i want to spend my time thinking about the concept of the project and the design. Podium is great because is fast and easy. I hope it doesn´t get to much complicated.
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Do you prefer it like it is RIcserza? You have it now. But because you are an architect and an artist, because you enjoy this feeling, then one just a little more complicated Podium is coming for you. Just a little don't be scared lol. Yes I know what you mean. But the name of this app is Podium not Kerkythea, so...
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Another wish... its a wish anyway. Real bumpmap support or even better, normal maps support.
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If I may add my proverbial 2c....

RIcserza has a very valid point, one that Bigstick has been clinging onto for a while, one that I never really understood.

 

I now understand Podiums real value, Podium has been the springboard of many very skilled render artists. I actually encourage newbies to rendering to try Podium first in order to learn the nuances of rendering before moving onto more powerful apps like Vray. Some stay a while and get great results with Podium, I am one of them.... but honestly most move on to something more complicated with more bells and whistles eventually.
 
so!!! like I've always suggested Podium needs to stay as it is and release version 2 as a pro version, for those that want the groovy tools can upgrade once they learn the basics, the two products can be separate engines within the same umbrella.
That means no holding back on the cool features in V2 as this is not a render noob tool but an advanced Podium render tool.
 
This way Podium can not only be the initial teeth cutting app but also the advanced render guru tool, retaining it's users instead of losing them to the 'power' engines.
 
(In a nutshell: do not dumb down version two in order to attract noobs, you have version one for that already)



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Yes exactly, this is my opinion. There should be a pro version.

Or in v2..... a drop-down menu for 'pro features' so you can tweak the settings.

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Everything depends on the cost of this upgrade. If this will be a pro app or as it is now, an easy one version of a render engine. 
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These are interesting and very relevant points guys. 

Ricserza has nailed the ethos of Podium perfectly. Podium does a lot of the work, so people can get on with design without being distracted.

Let me ask an obvious question, "If we add all the complexity to Podium to allow it to compete with the other high-end render engines, what basis does it have for competing with these other products other than price?"

V2 will be at the same time simpler and more complex than V1.7 - depending on what you want to do As it evolves, like the previous version - it won't get any simpler.



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Let me ask an obvious question, "If we add all the complexity to Podium to allow it to compete with the other high-end render engines, what basis does it have for competing with these other products other than price?"


I see your bias in the way you phrased the question.

The question should be:

"If we added the features people require these days to Podium in order to compete with current market standards how will we be able to compete with them besides price?"

Or "If we do not include features most people need what then?

Why so opposed to the pro version and entry level basic version (current version)?

What percentage of folk who purchased version 1.0 are still around? and how many have moved on to more powerful render solutions?

I am hoping that version 2 will have something in it for me, as I've progressed beyond Podium 1.x and require something with more meat, am I going to be disapointed?

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If I may add my proverbial 2c....

RIcserza has a very valid point, one that Bigstick has been clinging onto for a while, one that I never really understood.

 

I now understand Podiums real value, Podium has been the springboard of many very skilled render artists. I actually encourage newbies to rendering to try Podium first in order to learn the nuances of rendering before moving onto more powerful apps like Vray. Some stay a while and get great results with Podium, I am one of them.... but honestly most move on to something more complicated with more bells and whistles eventually.
 
so!!! like I've always suggested Podium needs to stay as it is and release version 2 as a pro version, for those that want the groovy tools can upgrade once they learn the basics, the two products can be separate engines within the same umbrella.
That means no holding back on the cool features in V2 as this is not a render noob tool but an advanced Podium render tool.
 
This way Podium can not only be the initial teeth cutting app but also the advanced render guru tool, retaining it's users instead of losing them to the 'power' engines.
 
(In a nutshell: do not dumb down version two in order to attract noobs, you have version one for that already)


Pete, with all due respect, I think your still not getting what Podium is all about.

I don't think Podium is meant by the developers to be a 'springboard for rendering noobs'.....even though it's most certainly used in that way by a lot of people.

The first thing I noticed when I got involved here is was the preponderance of working architects and designers. People whose primary function is design and who find the speed and simplicity of Podium useful for final image presentation.....rather than a way of life in itself

This is Podium's real strength and I just love it!!....and I don't bother looking elsewhere.

OK, I'm looking forward to V2 and I can handle a bit more complexity if necessary, but it would be disappointed if it became to obscure.

If its not the preferred tool for CG artists and rendering tragics...then so be it

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This is fascinating because it illustrates precisely our dilemma with V2. How do we (or indeed should we) provide more control for people who want it, while retaining the simplicity for people who just want the software to make educated choices most of the time?

It would be really interesting to hear some more about this. To an extent the proposals for V2.0 are (at the moment at least) largely fixed. However, the direction in which the application goes is very much open.

It would be great to hear all your views on this.



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