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I sincerely hope this wasn't discussed already, but I'd love a (default) setting that each new render job in the Podium Rendering Manager is being shown during the render process.

Currently for each new job you got to reveal the window, find the latest entry, click it and press the SHOW button. If you don't CLEAN UP the list, you'll even need to scroll and search for the current task in order to be able to preview it.

The next job again is not shown by default.

I hope that would be a minor project with a great return in satisfaction.

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You mean that the preview window automatically pop up?
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Yes, exactly.
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YES!! Please fix all windows to open on top so I don't have to figure out where it is. 

ALSO fix the toolbar options so that I don't have to close all my option boxes to view all the tool icons. If possible group the ALL the Podium icons together so I don't have to search for them among the SU icons! 

In the Mac version get rid of all these [Apply] and [OK] buttons. If I select a face/object/light the properties and options should immediately reflect that. Avoid the closing of options/properties boxes when I click on the [OK] button. 

I could redesign the GUI for more intuitive use, eliminate the clutter and conflicting options improving the GUI and ease of use......but I would get paid?  ;-(


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This problem is issued from the Mac sketchUp version, has all windows are floating in sketchUp. I don't think we can't do anything about that. 

The Podium toolbar is grouped..

Getting rid of the Apply button is on the list. But you do not have to close the window each time.

We appreciate any input and suggestions, but I think will be alright
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YES!! Please fix all windows to open on top so I don't have to figure out where it is. 

If it was that easy, we would have done it by now...

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ALSO fix the toolbar options so that I don't have to close all my option boxes to view all the tool icons. 

Not sure I understand this.

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If possible group the ALL the Podium icons together so I don't have to search for them among the SU icons! 

They already are, see the attached image! What is of more relevance to me is the fact that  the 'Settings' icon is missing

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In the Mac version get rid of all these [Apply] and [OK] buttons. 

See my very first response
And it's not a matter of doing something for the Mac, it has to be done for the Windows version as well. You wouldn't appreciate it if we added stuff just on the Windows build would you?

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If I select a face/object/light the properties and options should immediately reflect that. 
See above.

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Avoid the closing of options/properties boxes when I click on the [OK] button. 

Um, that's the way they are supposed to work and it's a standard UI convention

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I could redesign the GUI for more intuitive use, eliminate the clutter and conflicting options improving the GUI and ease of use......but I would get paid?  

Actually, I'm sure you think you could, but trust me, some of the things that seem simple to implement are more involved when you look at the detail. This would mean that we would be spending development time on tweaking workflow that almost no-one has complained about, instead of adding features.

One person's efficient workflow isn't the same as another's. Considering the number of complaints about this issue (so far, just one in total to the best of my memory) I think we're doing pretty well so far. There are improvements scheduled for Podium 3.

We are planning to remove the 'Apply' buttons, this irritates us all actually!

If you have some useful suggestions to make regarding UI, by all means post them. Of course you won't be paid, but I spent a long time working on Podium and the Kray engine before I got paid. 







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Hi all,

I'd like to add to this.

I have been using Podium since the beginning of V1, and with many, many more tools, features, and windows nowadays, I feel that the current style of HUDs aren't the best way to deal with things. 

Personally I think ONE window only, like a proper window like any other software on the OS has, with the relevant tabs at the top, would be a big improvement. Rather than lots of different little ones (which actually take up far more screen space), and keep going through Skp menus to get to them or remembering the icons (and lets face it, we have enough icons to remember anyway).

I think this would be excellent.

I understand that Podium is supposed to be very simple, and non-bloated etc etc, but a proper window for the sw doesn't mean that has to change!
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i like the idea, paul.

... and btw. i don't find the actual icons too attractive ...


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Personally I think ONE window only, like a proper window like any other software on the OS has

What, you mean like SketchUp?

Or Photoshop perhaps?

Podium is a plugin for SketchUp, not a standalone application, and it follows the convention of SU's floating palettes.

This is entirely a personal preference, nothing more and nothing less. When you have a single main dialog, with everything on that, it means two things:-

1. The dialog is only as small as the largest tab. This takes up more screen space if you only use one dialog at a time. Whether you like this depends on whether you like number 2.

2. You can only modify one set of parameters at a time.

I think it's fair to say that Podium is unlikely to have all its dialogs integrated into the main one, the lighting configuration box is small and compact, and lends itself to context-click activation. If it changes and becomes more complex, it's more likely that this might happen.

As for the materials dialog, I have no strong feelings either way about this. This needs to get more complex, so it may lend itself more readily to integration into the main dialog.

However this goes to the heart of what Podium is about, and what I have been robustly defending for a while. We have a simple, intuitive, approachable interface. Not too many options, hopefully no complex jargon. The tabbed packed UI monster that is Twilight is not the way we want to go at all. It's a good app, I just think that the UI is horrible for the non-expert user.

If lots of you would prefer a single tabbed dialog for most of the options, please let us know here!

It would also be helpful if you could tell us a little about now much experience you have with SU, Podium and rendering apps.




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Hi Bigstick, I have been using Podium for 6 years or more I believe, I'm not so much a big 'tweaker', I just use it to get things done, and produce fast, great images. I know that if I spent more time on it I could tweak to get better and better results. Fact is that rendering is the last thing I tend to do for a project, and its normally rushed at the last hour! I work in architecture & interior design in London.

I don't have very much experience outside of Sketchup & Podium, though I do use Vectorworks for 2D only. I understand what you said about the heart of Podium, and completely agree, as I have been following and enjoying it's developments for years.

Even though I am a long term user, I'm not a particularly regular one, and tend to use it every few months for final project work. I find my self constantly opening and closing/searching for the options/windows I want. 

I think for people who aren't so knowledgable about all the options and controls, it would be better to have everything in one place, in tabs, and perhaps the window could resize to the appropriate active tab? 

Also when I get around to using it there are often updates each time (which is excellent), and I go about reading through the "What's New' on the site, and learning about it each time.

I'm not at all saying that I want it more complex or even 'sexed up', I just feel one window, all options, everything in one place, would be really good, and make more sense to me personally.

1 vote for unity!

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Just to add, I never use the icons, I have so so many plugin icons that I have enough trouble remembering what they do anyway. And each time I render I would most likely be adjusting levels etc anyway, so just use the dialogue box.

If all the tabs were in one window, I'd just minimize it when not in use, then when I bring it back up, I know that I have everything at my fingertips.

I can look at this more closely if others are interested, and give feedback.
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Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences Paul!

We are planning to implement a feature which lets users know when updates are available.

This is useful feedback - thanks, I'll look into it

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