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After all this time using Podium I must then admit I do not know what Podium is all about, so if it's only about an elementary render solution for people who have no interest in learning to use features that could enhance their work then I'm on the wrong bus, as my destination is for photo realism and brilliance not mediocrity and time saving.

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I just want to say... I can only agree with solo's statement. To post in this forum, has turned to be just a challenge for me.
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After all this time using Podium I must then admit I do not know what Podium is all about, so if it's only about an elementary render solution for people who have no interest in learning to use features that could enhance their work then I'm on the wrong bus, as my destination is for photo realism and brilliance not mediocrity and time saving.

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Hey c'mon Pete ........your a professional renderer and a brilliant one at that.....but unless I'm mistaken the focus of your work is rendering rather than design and hence that's what your selling...brilliant renders.

My point is that for a lot of people whose main job is design...architecture,  interiors, landscape etc. there is probably not the time or inclination to develop rendering skills that will produce fantastic images... when pretty nice, quick, cheap  Podium renders will more than most times satisfy their clients.

Its all relative and things and expectations change fast but from my own point of view I find Podium, just as it is, excellent for my work....but any improvements will be appreciated.



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The overriding philosophy is to produce the best possible results, in the shortest amount of time, with the least complexity, user input and jargon.

For me at least it does not mean mediocre quality. This is why we have spent a lot of time and Dave has spent a lot of money implementing  better render engine. 

I don't think this means that we need to have a crude and simplistic interface, just that we strip out everything that only the real 'render geeks' want, and streamline everything we can, making informed decisions for users about some elements restricting choice to only the most commonly-used options.

If you look at the Vray interface for example (I have been watching some of the videos on YouTube) you will see that it is breathtakingly complicated. Sure it can produce fantastic results but you have to work hard to learn how to use it, and be prepared to adjust lots of parameters  to get there.

For anyone who wants ultimate quality and configurability, they'll be looking at Maxwell or Fryrender if you have a lot of time and money, or Vray otherwise.

Some of our users (like biebel) have moved on to these apps, which is a shame for us, but inevitable I guess. Nomeradona is also playing with more advanced applications. You win some, you lose some. Hopefully we win a lot more than we lose!

This doesn't mean that Podium will always be 'dumbed down', but it will always be easy to learn and use, have restricted options in some areas, and produce high quality results fast.

I'm amazed at what people have achieved with the current (almost unbelievably simple) version. Some of the images are truly fabulous. I hope that with V2, you will be able to take this to a higher level.

[Edit: no-one should deduce from this that V2's release is imminent and hold off purchasing a licence of v1.7. It isn't too far off but it is very likely that upgrading the current version will cost less than buying a new licence. Dave is looking at the whole pricing/upgrade strategy but as is customary, people won't be penalised for buying v1.7 shortly before V2 is released]





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I'm with Stu and Jim on this one. Now, I think I can say I'm a render geek. I'm nonetheless certain V2 will make a nice addition to my software arsenal. It'll work great for quick 'n easy images of 'stuff' I actually want to build.
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Some of our users (like biebel) have moved on to these apps, which is a shame for us, but inevitable I guess. Nomeradona is also playing with more advanced applications. You win some, you lose some. Hopefully we win a lot more than we lose!
 
hey Big im still here and forever be...even i have try a lot of soft, i will always come back to podium and SU.. why because its completely intergrated with SU. Yes sometimes i have a lot of frustration with SU handling polygons. but with quick vizualisation, SU and podium is always a partner to go.
 
I approach 3D vizualisation in more of an artform rather than architectural vizualisation, and one software could not really provide all what i need, so i move from one soft to the other.
 
for me Podium is still the easiest engine for SU that has been ever developed, and as Solo's put in in capsule it is really a good soft for beginers especially. you can always win anyone to SU by providing an engine like Podium.
 
and now with the coming of V2, i think the more you could see, that even its so simple yet could achieve really the quality with a very fast to reasonable time.  remember im still here Big..     

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Lot and lot of people is posting vray excellent renders everyday. On the other hand there is light-up. Do you thing that there is some place in the middle where podium can exist? IMO the only way is to go forward against vray. Should be more advanced as it is now, with some easy presets for beginners or for people who's interests are just a cool presentation.
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It is important not to draw too much from the statement "the new render engine is more like Vray than any other".

I do think there is a middle ground for a high quality renderer which is just configurable enough to keep keep everyone interested, while still being easy enough for newcomers.

I think it is fair enough to say that Podium won't be the best application for all scenes for all people, but the idea is to get the best overall balance. Personally I accept that occasionally some of you use other apps for some things, but the fact remains that most of you come back to Podium because sometimes you just want good results without too much fuss.

Nomer, I know you spend time with other applications, but I'm not hurt or jealous

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i am mostly interested in one thing and one thing only...i have 2, 8-core mac pro's...so my interest is in a future version where network render could be possible...16 cores are better than just 8

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Waiting for a preview of v2................................ You know guys , you have to give us a nice preview of what you have in mind. Words are not enough I'm afraid.
Well, I like podium waiting and waiting and waiting. Just a few people are posting podium renders to other forums these days.
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i agree but i dont think it will happen, understandably. a teaser would be nice.

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A teaser, yes, that would be nice.
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a podium teaser that is

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Sadly you are right, I remember when more than 50% of all renders at SCF were Podium, now it's below 10%.

It's time for Podium to shine again, I'm itching to dazzle with the new version.
I cannot compete with the guys out there with Podium anymore, the competition has moved on, we need to get back on top.

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Yes pete, oli, we need something more sophisticated than this. I really don't understand people that asks for something simple. 3d is not simple at all. Too many parameters. But podium as it is, consider this, you have to invert faces so invert bumps, have to edit presets (why old noisy preset is better and faster than the new?), have to change volumes for different lighting effects, have to copy and paste the whole thing in a new doc, have to extrude everything... you can't use full alpha channel pngs, no fog or sky effects, have to PP in photoshop etc.
All these are not a simple interface, these are illogical (remember Mr Spock lol). I've spent less time to learn blender and zbrush than podium (maybe the most difficult interfaces as people says). 
We need a clear answer now, a teaser. 
Or maybe someone thinks that he is more clever than we are. Or maybe he will surprise us. Well he wont. But haven't seen his renders anywhere, his agony about art expression or anything else. (now this is my personal position against all this silence).
I need a clear answer. Forum here is what I like most.
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